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The Hateful Eight: Enemy Fats That Destroy Your Health
Table of Contents
- The Hateful 8 are the Bad Seed Oils We Need to Avoid
- Most Folks Don’t Know They’re Eating Seed Oils
- Seed Oil Weaken Your Immune System
- Your Immune System Needs You to Be Metabolically Fit
- Four Steps to Start Eliminating Seed Oils From Your Body Fat TODAY
- Links to Scientific References Page & Further Reading
- Related TWEETS
The Hateful 8 are the Bad Seed Oils We Need to Avoid
Every day you probably hear health and diet information delivered as gospel by doctors and scientists from the most respected institutions in the country. The rules of the media game typically require that the experts brought into the spotlight will be parroting the same information you’ve already heard thousand of times before. This is especially true when it comes to fats.
But Bill Maher isn’t afraid of rocking the boat. On Friday May 22, 2020, when one of the few in big media willing to talk about the relationship between diet and health like a grown-up, Bill Maher, invited me onto Real-Time to share some truth. (Short segment here, full audio here on stitcher, intro to my segment starts at 17:15)
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Here are some of the things we discussed.
Most Folks Don’t Know They’re Eating Seed Oils
The average American gets 80% of their fat calories from seed oils, which are high in unstable fatty acids that break down into toxins when you cook with them and when you eat them for years and years. This problem is pushed under the rug and nobody is talking about it. The American Heart Association wants to keep it that way.
Seed Oil Weaken Your Immune System
The virus is not what’s killing most of us under the age of 65. For the elderly, or for those who are otherwise immunocompromised, the sheer viral load can be too much for the body to deal with. But for the rest of us, the real threat is not the virus itself, but the way your body responds.
Most of the folks under 65 who have to be admitted to the ICU are there because their body fat is full of inflammation-promoting high-PUFA seed oils. In other words, if seed oils were removed from the equation, then there would be nobody under 65 in the ICU unless they’ve got a rare immune deficiency disorder or are in the middle of chemo for cancer or have something else very serious that’s going on.
What I’m talking about goes way beyond flattening the curve; the sheer volume of the curve would be reduced. If the Hateful 8 weren’t disrupting our metabolisms and forcing our immune system to produce dangerous levels of inflammation, kids are still at school, restaurants are still opened and people are still going to work.
During the interview with Bill Maher, I also made the point that everyone under 65 who had a serious case of corona also has an underlying metabolic condition–whether they know it or not. Even those thin people who’ve written articles about their experience, like Mara Gay, a reporter for the NY Times who looks glowingly healthy.
As fit and beautiful as she appears in the NY Times piece, I’m certain her metabolism is not in good shape. Your metabolism has to be very damaged indeed for it to cause visible signs of poor health. But it doesn’t have to be particularly damaged for it to fail you when the time comes for your immune system to rise to the challenges involved in what may be the ultimate metabolic test: fending off potentially deadly infections.
I’m so sure that seed oils are the underlying cause of metabolic disruption that I’m calling for a challenge. Show me a single person under 65 without a serious underlying disease or immune deficiency who ended up in the ICU who had been categorically avoiding vegetable oils for the prior 5 years and you’ve proven me wrong.
Keep in mind, I’m not just talking about avoiding trans fats from hydrogenated oils, which a lot of people think are the only bad fats to pay attention to. I’m talking any of the Hateful 8, hydrogenated or not.
Your Immune System Needs You to Be Metabolically Fit
Doctors are so poorly trained in metabolic disease that most can’t begin to appreciate how powerful the wrong dietary advice they typically dish out is disrupting your health. We tell you to avoid saturated fat and when you do you’re going to end up eating unhealthy amounts of PUFA. And so most doctors unknowingly give out nutritional advice that only makes people sicker. When our dietary advice fails to help our patients, we sometimes avoid the subject altogether by ignoring abnormal lab results and telling you “all your tests came back normal.”
That’s my best explanation for why half the adults in this country with metabolic conditions like fatty liver and prediabetes aren’t told they have the condition, and therefore don’t have any reason to believe they’re at risk for additional complications of metabolic diseases or at risk of suffering from serious infections.
Many other common conditions are also metabolic. For example, if you’re a person who suffers from frequent migraines, seasonal allergies, occasional asthma, you almost certainly have an unhealthy metabolism. These seemingly minor underlying conditions are enough to make a viral pneumonia potentially life threatening.
It’s not that migraines or allergies disrupt your metabolism. It’s that the underlying condition that causes migraines, allergies, and many other seemingly unrelated metabolic illnesses, is too much PUFA in your body fat.
Most people in the ICU are not eating, and that’s when these seed oils are going to be released from your body fat–during fasting. When released into the bloodstream, these PUFAs interact with enzymes that are part of your virus-fighting, immune-response team. Their function is to promote inflammation, in fact, that’s one of the key reasons a healthy diet includes about 2-4% PUFA. But the problem is, on a modern diet with 10-20X the normal amount of PUFA, our body fat releases 10-20X more PUFA into the bloodstream, and we get 10-20X more inflammation than we normally would.
That insanely high level of inflammatory chemicals in our bloodstream, lungs and other tissues causes metabolic pandemonium. We start drowning in our own fluids and can’t oxygenate our blood. Inside our arteries and veins, the platelets that are supposed to form clots only in response to cuts instead start clotting randomly inside uninjured vessels, causing neurological problems, heart attacks and strokes. Our immune system starts mounting attacks on innocent bystander proteins, like those in our blood vessel walls, causing rashes that are the hallmark of the new Kawasaki-like, life-threatening COVID-19 complication in children and young adults.
Four Steps to Start Eliminating Seed Oils From Your Body Fat TODAY
- Make your own salad dressing. Even if you buy your organic, GMO-free dressing at Trader Joes or Whole Foods, chances are it’s made from one of the hateful eight oils. This applies even if the front of the bottle says made with olive oil. You always need to read the ingredients. So take a snapshot of this hateful 8 and keep it on your phone. Or better yet, use this one that gives a little more detail.
- Take a good look at the ingredients in what you eat. Scan anything with an ingredients list for one of the members of the Hateful 8 clan. If you want alternatives, here’s a shopping guide to finding vegetable oil free products available in some of the most common grocery stores in the USA.
- Support restaurants that refuse to use the Hateful 8. There are numerous excuses you will hear why a restaurant doesn’t use olive oil or another healthy, traditional fat. Canola is heart-healthy. We use soy instead of peanut because of peanut allergies. It’s a neutral taste that people prefer. It’s got a high smoke point. Those excuses are the best marker I know of for a chef who has lost his passion. Whenever we’ve found a chef that proudly tells you he only uses olive oil and butter, or any of the good fats, we’ve also found the food coming out of the kitchen to be absolutely the best.
- Find out how much vegetable oil is in your body fat. While there’s no direct test other than doing a subcutaneous fat biopsy and sending it to a lab for a full analysis, which you can’t do unless you’re part of a research study, you can get a decent idea of how your body fat is impacting your metabolism by finding out if you are insulin resistant. Ask your doctor for a HOMA-IR test. If he doesn’t know what it is, in most states in the USA, you can order a test yourself. Visit this website for more information and select the “Insulin sensitivity Test, HOMA-IR.” It only costs about $45. Or ask your doctor to order two tests at the same time: fasting glucose and fasting insulin level. Then plug your numbers into this calculator. And given the reality of no direct testing, I created a clinical questionnaire to aid in assessing your recovery from PUFA overload. It’s published in The FATBURN Fix, and you can download it for free by entering your email in the green form at the bottom of this page.
If you would like to discuss any of this with Dr. Cate, feel free to schedule a consultation.
Links to Scientific References Page & Further Reading
Are Products with Soy Lecithin Safe to Eat? (Like Chocolate & Ice Cream)
Hidden Metabolic Disorders Allow COVID-19 to Kill “Healthy” People
Other doctors to follow:
@CarnivoreMD
@DrAseemMalhotra
@BrianLenzkes
@DoctcorTro
Dr Cate on Bill Maher (short segment)
And a response to my friend the Great and Powerful Dr Oh’s question
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Thanks Pam! These PUFA oils are added to so many foods at the market. I have switched to Almond butter (no added ingredients)
I believe what she is saying is find one with ingredients that are only sunflower seeds and salt.
Hello Dr. Cate,
Like so many others, I’m here after seeing you on Bill Maher. I’ve been practicing extended water fasting for the past several months both for weight loss and the detoxing health benefits of autophagy. 2-3 week fasts followed by 2-3 weeks low carb diet. Down 40 pounds (25 to go) and feeling amazing. However the low carb diet is primarily achieved by home cooking. As such, I use a lot of mayonnaise for things like egg salad, chicken salad, etc. Imagine my dismay in finding out that the (by far) main ingredient of my favorite name brands is soybean oil. I’ve read your grocery list, but that stuff is not only prohibitively expensive, I’m worried the avocado oil will be too noticeable. Long story short, I’ve decided to make my own, which isn’t too difficult with a decent immersion blender. But which oil or combination of oils can I use to impart the least flavor? I want my mayo to taste like eggs, not avocados or olives. Or to be green for that matter. Are any of the good oils or combos good at being bland like soy or corn oil? Especially as there’s no cooking involved? What would you recommend for homemade mayo?
Thanks in advance for your reply
BTW, I’ve ordered all three of your books, and am looking forward to their arrival!
Keenan
hi dr. Cate – this is Ralph from Beautiful Bamboo
loved your appearance on bill maher – hope you can do more like that.
below are a few small typos I found.
also, I wanted to tell you about a great and reasonably priced bone broth that publix sells now in their meat aisle called Butchers Bone Broth – we have been using a lot of it.
missing the word “in” before metabolism
Learn about your body’s metabolism my latest book, The FATBURN Fix
Ask you doctor for a HOMA-IR test. your not you
bottom of the page goal not goals
The goals is to serve as a clearinghouse for discussion
that’s a glitch, occasionally happens. If you request permission it will be granted!
It’s heated and more processed, which always reduces nutrition. It’s not bad, just less nutritious than butter.
Relatively fewer PUFAs and relatively less harsh refining. Beef tallow would be better.
Not unless they’ve got added seed oils, or lots of sugars.
Peanut and beef tallow. And thank you for trying to upgrade.
Synonymous with seed oil.
Nature doesn’t make bad fats. Factories do. More details on this page https://drcate.com/list-of-good-fats-and-oils-versus-bad/ and in my books
Nature doesn’t make bad fats. Factories do. More details in my book Deep Nutrition
Whole seeds and nuts are healthy. The seed or nut ground up into butter will be healthy until it goes rancid. It’s the refining that makes the seed oils super unhealthy.
Thank you! Please visit this page https://drcate.com/list-of-…
And scroll down to the Taking A Supplement? section
Definitely you will feel better by avoiding the Hateful 8. If you’ve not been consciously avoiding them, you’re getting them when you eat out and from most packaged products. Your hives are inflammatory and chronic pain is worsened by inflammation.
No, because it’s high in antioxidants thanks to being unrefined. It is high PUFA so it’s best not to use mustard in extended high heat cooking.
So the price of ‘progress’ has been greed and selfishness
Lecithin is listed after salt, so very little would be added, not enough to worry about healthwise. There’s a suprising amount of sugar, though, a full teaspoon per tablespoon, just FYI.
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I buy various brands of cold pressed extra virgin avocado oil at around $8.50 per liter at Sunland Produce, 8840 Glenoaks Blvd, Sun Valley, CA 91352
http://www.sunlandproduce.com/
Links from the bottles
http://www.avocadooilusa.com/
http://www.arvidoca.com
Thank you! The people in power, the now global elite. The resource/asset divide, so apparent in the twin crises of George Floyd & the pandemic, did not exist in the small band hunter gatherer groups; their custom was equal access to resources regardless of contribution.
Wow, thanks for this info, looks like need to order your books. Thank you so very much!
So in your view, the world would be a better place without any of these (mostly traditional) foods that have sustained people all around the world for centuries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cheeses That makes me sad.
I’m not a fan of protein powders. Such a non fan that when writing Deep Nutrition I considered doing a whole chapter on the topic but the book was too long already so couldn’t squeak it in. In The FATBURN Fix I discuss how these powders mostly get converted into sugar and on page 322 discuss the myth that you need to get protein around workouts or you start losing muscle.
In terms of fatty acid composition, a typical palm stearin might contain almost 50% palmitic acid and 35% oleic acid (from Wikipedia) and that means it’s ok. Apparently palm stearin is supposed to retain the vitamin A precursors, so that one gets a pass. The sunflower lecithin is not so great but usually it’s far down on the list and unlikely to be present in high enough concentration to cause problems. Snap a photo of the ingredients list and the nutrition label and post it as a comment so I can have a look and see if I can tell what’s up.
Fascinating. I have updated the link in the article and here it is https://umedia.lib.umn.edu/…
By the global 1/2 of 1% do you mean the people in power or the folks who have had coronavirus?
Hi Dr. Cate. I read Deep Nutrition about 4 years ago and I’m still holding the standard to this day. It definitely has had more impact on my life than any other book I’ve read. So thanks! My question is about Palm fruit Stearin. Is this a highly processed food additive or safe? I recently bought a delicious product called Seedible. It’s an organic sesame seed butter with a twist but it has palm fruit Stearin and sunflower lecithin in it. Are these okay or should I move on? Thanks
Also, if you know what the event was, and the date; as well as what happened that might have made him feel humiliated, that all could be helpful.
The link is on the Ancel Keys page (https://drcate.com/what-eve…, toward the end in a section with misc. comments. The link itself is https://umedia.lib.umn.edu/… It says, “The page you were looking for doesn’t exist.” I say, ha. Ghosts can have efficacy, either directly or through mind-control of devotees.
As to the research I’m doing, it springs in part from the work of Darcia Narvaez of Notre Dame (and others) into the lifestyle of small band hunter gatherers (see http://evolvednest.org), the work of Allan Schore (UCLA) on the developmental neuroscience of the attachment period, and my experience after doing 45 years of outpatient psychotherapy where I became sensitized to the power of shame. Much of the shadow cast by the global ½ of 1% includes the now-mega food industry. Losing power, the threat or fear of losing power, means losing profound status and that is shame. (Soulfulpsy aka David E. Roy, Ph.D.)
Thank you for your kind comments. Interesting work. For more on PUFA, see the bit.ly link under further reading above. Can you post the nonfunctional link here? I’m not sure which one you might be referring to. Thank you for your time!
Feeling great tells most of the story! Blood would just be confirmatory. Glad to hear your triglycerides are good.
The bottom of the article contains a link to a short list of the research articles I’ve read over the past 20 years on the PUFA problem, and additionally there are more than 500 citations in Deep Nutrition.
Thank you for the link, this should help with the doc search.
CL
PS: I would lead with that in the future.
Hi Dr. Cate your thoughts on this product; https://www.thrivealgae.com… it’s an algae oil that is derived from the chestnut tee; it claims to have the highest % Monosaturated Fat to PUFA (13g/0.5g). I have not seen your review of this oil.
I don’t recommend very many supplements and lecithin is not one I recommend. Egg yolks are loaded with lecithin.
I’ve not seen that occur. Keep in mind, many products do have added vitamins, including protein powders so I’d double check if you have not already.
I’m not a researcher. My conclusions come in part from reading peer reviewed research. Deep Nutrition has over 500 citations and the FatBurn Fix is based in part on citations you can find here: https://bit.ly/PUFAproject
Nature doesn’t make bad fats, factories do. So yes, It’s the extraction. You’re fine with whole foods 🙂
Hi Dr. Cate, Looking forward to seeing the interview. I just wanted to add I’ve been eating in align with your 5 pillars for years now. It’s been neat to see how I’ve lowered my triglycerides and I feel great. Just a question regarding allergies since I have seasonal environmental allergies and live in an agricultural area so they’ve been worst during spring time. I just take Nettle-Quercetin which helps. Wanted to know your thought regarding my metabolic health if I’m already eating this way. Happy to see this info get out there! Thanks!
Hugely important topic! Thank you for the clarity. We’ve got to get rid of these destructive ‘food-like’ substances from our diets.
Dr. Cate – My husband takes a sunflower lecithin. Is that ok? If not, what type of lecithin should he take? I can’t find one without bad oils.
Dr. Cate, great discussion on Real Time. I have two
questions regarding the hateful 8. Is it the seeds/nuts/beans themselves that
are bad for you or the way the oil is extracted and processed that makes the
PUFA bad? I eat mostly vegetarian and use nuts/seeds/bean and legumes as a
source for protein and fiber. I always thought of soy beans (edamame) and
sunflower seeds as good for you when used in whole raw form. Am I missing
something and should I cut back/eliminate these? Look forward to reading your
latest book
Is your research published in peer reviewed journals?
Pretty much none, is what I’m seeing.
I can also say any highly-processed substance isn’t very healthy for you. Whether it be oils or anything.
But to say that dairy products filled with hormones and milk sugars are somehow acceptable is just wrong.
What a fat response.
I address that in Deep Nutrition, if you’re interested.
Medical science never called canola ‘bad.’ Harvard still recommends it. So that’s a weird thing to say. Plus, which one of the two of us is selling a consumable product, by which I mean is going to be purchased over and over?
It’s the oils, not the seeds. So if the butter (blended seeds) has no added seed oils, please continue to enjoy your butter!